What is Organic Church?


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475948121_e6217d6afd_oAgain, the folks over at 3rdRace.org have produced an excellent podcast concerning the definition and nature of what some are calling the organic expression of the church.

I highly recommend that you go over there and listen to this new podcast and all future podcasts as well.  By the way, if you don’t know, these are the people that Mary and I are training to be future church planters.  They have years of experience in the organic expression of the church and I also recommend that you subscribe to their blog.  You won’t be sorry!

Click below to listen to the latest podcast:


Infusion NorCal 2015


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 You are invited to a very special organic church event in Northern California!

Jon Zens and Myself will be holding a special conference for those interested in organic church life in Northern California.  The event will be held in Sonoma and will run April 3-4, 2015.  

If you are involved with a group that is desirous of returning to the life and purpose we see in the New Testament, this event may be for you.

If you are an individual believer who is looking to connect with others who have this same desire in your area, this event may be for you.

For more information and registration click on the link below:


Training the Planters

3478092302_6a4f72dc25_o Many of you may not know that my wife Mary and I plant organic churches. We have been doing this for the last 20+ years. It’s been full-time for the last five years. We have planted New Testament style organic churches throughout this country (U.S.) and in Australia. We are also working with others to help see new groups established in Europe and Africa.

Recently, we have entered a new phase of this work and that is the training of new future church planters.  This is very very exciting for us!  For the last five months, four others have been with us as we plant a church in Northern California.  This has been an incredible experience for all of us involved and we ALL are learning some very spiritual and practical lessons from this experience.

One of the desires of our hearts is to present these folks that we are training to you all, our readers.  You will definitely enjoy their writings as well.  They recently did their first podcast about them being trained and you can listen by going to this blog:




He Himself – Being and Seeing


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Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.” (John 17:24)

Here, in the Lord’s prayer to the Father, Jesus reveals the very heart of God for his Church.  This is definitely the key to the Son’s glory, which was given to Him by the Father. First of all, we need to understand:

This glory is the goal of his prayer.

So, I think that we would do well to discover the essence of this “glory”.

What is the Glory of the Father and the Son?

If we look closely at this chapter of this gospel of John we will see some major points that are made throughout the prayer:

– mutual glorification (verse 1)
– authority (verse 2)
– eternal life (verse 2)
– knowing the Father and the Son (this is eternal life) (verse 3)
– accomplishing God’s work brings him glory (verse 4)
– glory is something that happens with the Father and the Son before creation (verse 5)
– God’s communication comes from the Father, through the Son to us (verse 8)
– everything is mutual within the Godhead (Trinity) (verse 10)
– the glory happens when there is oneness, which happens in the Name (verses 11-12)
– protection from the world and sending dependent upon oneness (verses 16-21)
– the glory has already been given to us for the oneness (verse 22)
– the oneness, which is based upon the love between the Father and Son, will be seen in the world (verse 23)

Now, we can combine these thoughts and get a birds-eye view of what God wants. There is a lot here, of course, but I am going to juice it down into one simple paragraph. (Tip – to see this more clearly, I suggest that you read John chapters 14-17 all the way through without stopping. This will give you a much clearer picture of God’s eternal purpose in Christ.)

The glory of God is the mutual fellowship (community life) that all three of the members of the Godhead share. This involves their mutual love, communication, attention, knowing one another, union, passion, dependency, giving and receiving, and much much more. All things within this community are mutual. They share all things, all content, all life, all love, all goals and vision, and all of the uniqueness that each one has. They share all things in common, you could say. Being three distinct Persons, they are completely one. This oneness of their life together is their glory. It is the source of their power, strength, and authority. Their goal is to share and express this glory with us! Yes, us, mere mortals! And the goal would include the expression (manifestation) of this incredible life to all realms; visible and invisible.

Wow!!!  What a goal!  What a purpose!  What a vision and dream!  Paul puts it this way:

“Of this church I was made a minister according to the stewardship from God bestowed on me for your benefit, so that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God, that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints, to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.” (Col 1:25-27)

Do you see from this passage that the “mystery” is Christ in you, the hope of glory?

Do you also see from this passage the fact that Christ now lives in you (plural)?

This fact (reality) is the key to God getting what He wants.  He cannot have the expression of His Son without this LIFE of the community of God being in us and being lived out in us and from us.

Being and Seeing

So now we come to the critical part of this prayer of Jesus to the Father.  It’s the “how to” of him getting his glory revealed:

Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.” (John 17:24)

Being with Christ is the key to it all!  Without the being there will be no seeing of the glory!  Yes, that means being with and seeing He, Himself!  And yet, all this time we have thought it was all about our prayer life and our bible study and our witness, and our church attendance, and our devotion to God!

Wow! How could we have missed the main point?  Maybe because it is so simple and so basic that it actually insults our intelligence!  We have to somehow figure it all out and then we will have something to boast about.  But God has made it so simple.  He just wants us to BE with Him!

It may be simple but it’s certainly not easy in this hyper actively complex world we live in.  It’s not easy to simply get together with God and just BE with him.  There are many obstacles and distractions that get in the way.  It’s not easy to simply “be still and know that He is God” in a noisy and intrusive world system.  But notice with me that your Lord deliberately hides himself away to be with the Father.  He was very intentional about it.  He knew that He could do nothing apart from the Father (John 5:19) and therefore He needed to be with Him.  Do we realize this as well?

Where Do We Fellowship?

Isn’t it odd that Jesus prayed to the Father that his disciples would be with Me where I am?  Wasn’t he right there standing (and praying) in front of them?  Why would he pray that they would be where he is (present tense)?  Have you ever wondered this?

I believe it’s because even though Jesus was with them in the flesh and in the natural world, he was also in another place simultaneously.  That place was inside of the Father!  I mean that quite literally, spiritually, but literally.  He was both in the natural world AND in the heavenly places at the same time!  How is this possible?  It’s possible because Jesus (just like you and I) is made up of a spirit, a soul, and a body (1 Thess. 5:23).  With his body and soul he functions on the earth, but with his spirit he functions in the heavenlies.  In fact, he is The Door (ladder) between heaven and earth! See Genesis 28:12-17 and John 1:50,51 for further insight.

Paul tells us that we believers are now seated with Christ in the heavenly places:

“… even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.”  (Eph 2:5-7)

Sisters and brothers, do you see that this declaration is in the present tense?  We are right now, currently, at this time, seated with Him in the heavenly places!  This means that we (the Church) are also now in two places at the same time.  Even though we are on the earth, he wants to be with us right now in the heavenly realms.  He wants us to be with him and see him in that place that is not bound by space, time, measurement or anything else.  You can turn to He, Himself who lives inside your spirit right now and see his glory.

May we all take this as our glorious occupation!

“… but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.”  (2Co 3:16-18)


Two New Books You Won’t Want to Miss!


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This is our good brother and friend James in Australia. James is very happy because he has read our two newest books called New Day and The Gathering. If you are interested in knowing Christ in a deeper way and experiencing the organic expression of the Church you will definitely want to check out these two books!

Click here to find out more!

Jesus Now by Frank Viola Now Available for 50% Off!



Jesus NowGo to Parable.com and get the book at a 50% discount and you’ll receive the companion Study Guide FREE.

This offer is good from today (May 5) to Thursday (May 8).

The Study Guide will be emailed to you (using the same email addressed that you ordered the book with) before May 12th.

The Study Guide contains a Bonus Chapter also – one that’s not in the book.

This book will show you how to write the gospel within the text and textures of your own life. Jesus Now stands as a challenge for each of us to move from numbers to narratives, from scorecards to storyboards, to have our lives become an ongoing provenance for the Jesus story, based on the authentics of the gospel.

The story of Jesus—past and present—is the food of discipleship.

Taste and see.

Leonard Sweet
E. Stanley Jones Chair in Evangelism, Drew University
Distinguished Visiting Professor, George Fox University

He Himself – The Dissolution of Christ


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Dissolution of Christ

1.) the act or process of resolving or
dissolving into parts or elements.
2.) the resulting state.
3.) the undoing or breaking of a bond,
tie, union, partnership, etc.
4.) the breaking up of an assembly or
organization; dismissal; dispersal.

Ladies and gentlemen, what we see before us in the current state of the Christian religion referred to as ‘Christianity’ is the dissolution of Christ.

He Himself, the Person of Christ has been broken down into many pieces and everyone takes the piece or pieces that they like the most.  The problem with this is that what you end up with is not Christ at all!  But rather, different works, teachings, or aspects of the Person which no longer accurately represent Him when taken out of context.  The parts do not equal the whole because the whole is actually a living Person, not some kind of cornucopia of different (separate) items.  Syn-er-gy – noun – the interaction of elements that when combined produce a total effect that is greater than the sum of the individual elements, contributions, etc.

Let me give you a few examples of how we have done this.  It basically breaks down into the character, power, and works of Christ.

His Character

We have taken different aspects of the character of Christ and broken them into pieces or slices and then blown them way up out of proportion as if we are no longer even referring to an actual integrated Person.  One of the best examples is love. Now we know that God is love (1 Jn. 4:8) and that love is a part of his character.  However, if we take love as a thing in and of itself then we do a great disservice to the whole Person of Christ.

I know many believers who only ever talk and write about love.  Of course, they are referring to God’s love, which is Christ.  But they only mention the word “love”.  Pretty soon, after hearing and reading this time and time again you forget that love and Christ are synonymous.  You actually begin thinking (and believing) that love is actually something separate from God in Christ and not part of who He is.  Everything, for these folks, is about love.  Love this and love that.  If we can only love one another won’t everything be wonderful?  The main thing is love, it says that in I Cor 13 doesn’t it?  But what you hardly ever hear is that I Cor. 13 is a description of the character of Jesus Christ!  Go back and read that passage again and you will see what I mean.  No one could live that way except God Himself – yes folks, He Himself!

And what about the new commandment?  You know, “love one another”?  Most believers see that as another mandate that somehow we need to live by.  But the Lord Jesus dashes all hopes of that when he includes this little statement: “as I have loved you!”  Wow!  Now what are we going to do with our dissolution tendency?  Do you actually believe that you, yourself are able to love someone as Christ does?  No way, dude!  Only He Himself can love this way.  Read John 15 again and you will see that abiding comes before loving!  Why?  Because it is actually the indwelling Christ Himself who does the loving in and through you as you abide in HIM – the WHOLE Person!

Also, if you read the “sermon on the mount” again with a view of seeing the eternal purpose of God it will totally change your outlook.  This is not a collection of commands, but rather a description of the King and His Kingdom!  It’s not about you as an individual believer apart from Christ and His Church.  It is a corporate context (a kingdom) of a people who express the character, nature, power, and works of their indwelling King!

His Power

Notice how Christians love to dissolve Christ?  This tendency is totally of the self-centered, self-absorbed, and self-obsessed flesh of the fallen race.  Believers (especially Charismatics) love to separate the power of Christ into categories, compartments, and “giftings”.  “I have this gift.”  “I have that gift.” “I have that ‘ministry'”.  “You have that ministry.”  I love how Paul cut through all of this nonsense in his correctional letter to the Corinthian church.  In I Corinthians chapter 12 he puts the power exactly where it belongs; in Christ.  But notice how he does it, he writes to the church (that is obviously dissolving Christ by making it all about gifts) and he puts all of the gifts into the context of the Body of Christ.  In essence, he just tells them that the gifts are simply functions of the Body!  But you may be asking, “yes Milt, but how does that make it about Christ directly”?  Well folks, Paul makes it all very clear with this one statement:

For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ.  (1Co 12:12)

Wow!  What a Christ!  What an all inclusive Christ.  The body is Christ.  There is no other way to translate this verse.  So, if the body is Christ then that must mean that all of the members (and gifts of power) are all a part of Christ.  The problem is that we modern day believers have even dissolved Christ into being separate from His own Body!  But how can the Head and the Body be separate from one another?  Together (as one) they make up the one New Humanity.

His Works

We have also dissolved Christ to the point of separating He Himself from his works.  His finished work on the cross and his work of salvation are two good examples of this.

But is the cross simply something he did, or is it the very heart of God?  In other words, was there a Lamb of God even before creation and the fall of man?

And bow before it shall all who are dwelling upon the land, whose names have not been written in the scroll of the life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world;  (Rev 13:8)

This Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world!  This gives us a little hint at the nature of our Lord.  He is one who is more than willing to lay down his life for others (also see Jn. 15:13).  The work of the cross came out of his divine nature which is always laying down his life for God and others.

Also, Paul makes it very clear that the preaching of the cross of Christ means a fatal blow to our self life!  And that is the culprit in all of this dissolution of Christ.  We try to slice Him up into doctrines, gifts, character traits, agendas and works because we are looking for something for our flesh to glory in!  And yet the cross of Christ, IS Christ!  And that, if received, will put an end to all of this dissolution nonsense.

For indeed Jews ask for signs (power) and Greeks search for wisdom (doctrine); but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.  (1Co 1:22-24)

And don’t forget that He Himself is also salvation!

But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption (1Co 1:30)

Sisters and brothers, this Christ is a WHOLE Christ.  This Christ is a complete “package”.  You cannot separate He Himself from His aspects, power, works, or any other thing.  If you take any one of those items and emphasize it you will lose the glory of this one, whole, complete Christ who is so much more than anything or anyone that we can ever imagine!

but Christ is all, and in all.  (Col 3:11c)



The Gathering – A Novel by Milt & Mary Rodriguez


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The Gathering

The American landscape is changing as a radically conservative, right-winged Christian organization called the United Christian Movement is pushing their religious and political agendas on the American people. They succeed in placing a so-called “Christian” in the White House. They have also begun placing many institutional churches under their umbrella of control and initiate a heresy witch hunt. All others are condemned by them as “new age mystics and heretics”. Many true believers are forced to go underground due to penalties of incarceration.

Our story follows the journey of ten of these heretics who dare to place Christ and His church at the center of their lives. God calls these out of different situations and organizations by the use of dreams. He is using these dreams and their interaction with one another to transform their lives. This journey becomes very dangerous as they must elude the powerful U.C.M. to arrive at the goal of their dreams…The Gathering.

Click here to read excerpt from the book (opens window)

What People are Saying about the Book

“The Gathering kept me on the edge of my seat! A Novel Yes, but eerily familiar.”

Vinny Oliveira
Tuscaloosa, Alabama

“The narrative is a good blend of novel and truth without being heavy handed. As the characters grow and learn new things, the reader does as well, even up to the last chapter. Personally I am not a fast reader but the enjoyment and simplicity of the story allowed me to get through it in just over a week. My favorite part of the novel (spoiler alert) is that there isn’t a neat and tidy resolution: the reader is left understanding that these characters lives will continue on and experience ups and downs as the continue to press on towards the prize of knowing God. Read it: its worth your time!”

Thomas Fortson
Gainesville, Florida

“For those who desire to know Christ better, to live by His life together, to fulfill the Father’s eternal purpose through His Son you will see glimpses of what gatherings with Christ as Head could look like in this story. You will see beautiful examples of faith and love and the variety and creativity of Christ in God’s people. After reading The Gathering the dream to truly want to know Christ better, in a deeper way with other brothers and sisters was stirred. The story will quicken His Spirit in your spirit and perhaps help you hear Him better as a result. As you hear Him, by faith follow Him, do what He says, you will be amazed! The story describes how the characters learned to live by their spirit, their conscience and intuition, communing with the Lord. The Gathering is a must read! After reading the last chapter I was hoping for more. The Gathering must have a sequel! Perhaps that’s what Acts in the Bible was meant to do for the brothers and sisters who read it. Hoping for more.”

John S. Wilson III
Houston, Texas

You can order the book now from these sources:

The Rebuilders Website



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